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TUESDAY FEB 9 IN VA… AND ***MAYBE*** FEB 13-14?

Posted by wxrisk | VA WEEKEND WEATHER | Sunday 7 February 2010 9:14 AM

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I am hoping the most you are finding the new page to wxrisk.com ‘ s Virginia’s weather fairly easily.

I posted later than I want to because I was busy making changes to the website cleaning up some old files and getting ready to watch the Super Bowl and was pleasantly surprised by the significant win of the saints over the Colts.

The model  data   is has not  showing any real  changes with regard to Tuesday’s weather.   The main issue of contention remains how far to the south and east does this huge of 500 low a real powerhouse of the feature reach as it reaches the middle Atlantic Coast. As I try to make clear earlier when you have a clipper will like this even a Manitoba Maller which is a very powerful type of Alberta clipper… all these significant precipitation always occurs on the north side of the system and about 75 to 100 miles north of the 500 low.

These images from today show the feature. The European model takes the system to WVA and over MD which would spare Washington, DC Northern Virginia and Baltimore from the same and other major snowstorm.    These areas would see some snow but   o eastern portions would see snow going to rain from I-95 East .

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However the National Weather Service has issued a winter storm watch is for the Washington, DC and Baltimore metro areas and given the amount of snow damage that the last storm last… this is probably a wise course. However speaking strictly from a meteorological point of view I remain quite skeptical that the Clipper Low is going to drop as far south as central Virginia. This is very rarely happens.

In addition keep in mind that with the January 30 snowstorm of central and southern Virginia the forecast models continue to show that the heavy snow will fall from Richmond South… from Roanoke South to the VA/ NC border and into the northern counties of NC. Of course at the last minute there was a significant northward extension of the precipitation shield and the 850 Mb Low came out of the Tennessee Valley much stronger and track 50 miles to the north. Thus the Snow Shield did reach Washington, DC — NWS has 1 ” ..I had 3-5″ and they got 4-7″…. and the heaviest snow was actually from Richmond North towards Fredericksburg…. while along the NC/ VA border saw Sleet mixed in with the snow .

Then on the Saturday FEB 3… the storm that brought the humongous amount of snow over NW and Northern VA into Washington and Baltimore… the rain snow line advance much further to the north than any forecast called for… and this includes my forecasts. Recall that the rain snow line reached as far northwest as Charlottesville and into Fredericksburg. This was not in any of the model data. Again at the last minute the 850 MB low Jump to the north which drove the warm air much further to the north and west of Richmond than originally forecasted.

The point here is that for folks in the snow battle scarred Northwest and Northern Virginia… even though right now the data shows that the system is going to bring much of central and eastern Maryland a significant snowstorm… it is possible that the best nose will fall over Philly and eastern Pennsylvania into central and northern New Jersey and by pass Washington, DC and Baltimore metro areas.

For central Virginia the strong system coming out of the Midwest presents a different sort of problem. At the surface of this is simply going to be a cold front that will sweep through western… central and eastern VA. The air mass might be cold enough for a period of snow over central and western Virginia but it will quickly go over to rain as Southwest winds bring in the warm air. Behind the front a new surge of arctic air moves in as the storm explodes off the New Jersey coast into a monster’s Low for southern half of New England… Northeast PA… northern NJ… NYC … and Long Island.

The midday models show the next system of February 12 13 to be a significant event if you’re along the Gulf Coast and the Deep South area. This is going to be a very unusual and major snowfall for portions of AL GA SC NC. Whether or not the system turns the corner and comes up the coast enough to reach central and southern Virginia is going to depend of course on the position of the New England LOW once it reaches storm southeastern Canada.

Right now as I have been saying the models had been shoving the system too far to the south so when it stalls over southeastern Canada… it is of course still too far to the south. We are just going to have to wait and see whether or not the models make any sort of Lee adjustment. We could be looking at a situation where the data is showing no snow for central and southern Virginia over the next two days and then suddenly on Thursday they show a jump in the track and the snow gets into central and southeastern Virginia. If this sounds all rather uncertain to you and filled with “maybe” s and “could be”s and “possibilities”… well that’s exactly what this is. At this point for the weekend we simply don’t know.

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In a bit I will post the maps on it but this is not a serious winter event for any portion of Virginia even up across Northern Virginia. This type of system is called in the weather business “a secondary Low redevelopment ” system– which is called in the weather BIZ a “MILLER B” system. A “MILLER A” coastal systems are Lows which track out from the Gulf of Mexico… which is what we have seen this winter in the the last three storms. However this next system on Tuesday is not that sort of event . The determining factor or criteria and classifications of storms as “Miller A” or “Miller B” events is mainly determined by the upper level features and not the surface although that has some influence on the determination.

A special type of Alberta clipper Low…. known in the weather biz as a “Manitoba Mauler” is going to drop out of central Canada then swing through the Ohio Valley then explode into rapid development when reaches been New Jersey coast Tuesday night and Wednesday. As the Upper Low drops through the Ohio Valley a strong cold front will race across the Midwest and reach the East Coast where a second coastal Low will develop. Eventually that coastal Low will take over and become the big system which hammers NYC and New England with its first major snowstorm of the season.

VA is going to be between these two systems— the coastal Low to the east that is forming and the cold front coming in from the west. The cold front will be the dominant feature for VA and MD and as it approaches we will see winds become southwesterly and temperatures warm rapidly. The models are developing some precipitation ahead and along the front and initially it will be cold enough for snow to develop over much of Virginia. But this is not a major or significant snow by any stretch of imagination and much of the precipitation will switch over rapidly to rain — not ice — over all of Central southwestern and southeastern Virginia.

For those of you in a “blizzard Central”…. ( northern VA and up into MD) this is going to be a little closer call. We are going to have to watch how fast the coastal Low develops.

When you are dealing with MILLER B systems…. the primary concern forecasting it this far out advance is the track of the Upper Low at 500 MB . The GFS or American or the model is taking the system through West Virginia and across the DC area which poses the risk of seeing some moderate snow for that area which they really don’t need. However most of the other models which are far superior to the GFS have the system tracking over over Philly and through central New Jersey. This means that most of the DC Northern Virginia and Baltimore metro area would miss out on the significance snow. SOME snow yes…. a few inches .

Once the system moves up into the Gulf of Maine and in southeastern Canada to become absorbed into the overall pattern and reinforces the cold pattern over the eastern half of US.. The GFS has a significant Low over the Gulf Coast FEB 13. Most of the last few runs of the GFS and the European model have been taking this system off the Georgia coast and out to sea too far to the south to effect central or southern Virginia. But some of the models are edging the precip shield into southern Virginia so we have to watch it.

There is another system very similar to this one behind it for Presidents’ Day weekend. This one has a better chance to climb the latitude latter and bring some decent snow into the Tennessee Valley and the lower and middle Atlantic states — read NC and VA

21 Comments »

  1. Comment by Clay — February 7, 2010 @ 10:29 PM

    Hi DT…..

    Keep ‘em coming……

    We need more winter storms making the turn from the Gulf to Hatteras!

  2. Comment by Mike — February 8, 2010 @ 1:23 AM

    DT great info. I can learn more about the weather from your posts in a week than I could learn from the local tv mets posts and blogs in a year. Hope the GFS SE bias comes true from the coming Sat. storm.

  3. Comment by VAskier — February 8, 2010 @ 8:45 AM

    Can you explain how the 500mb low and 850mb lows relate to each other in weather predictions and how they work with the 540 line on the weather charts? I thought the 540 line was the most significant indicator of snow. Is the 540 line less important than it seems? Thanks for the blog!

  4. Comment by Dave — February 8, 2010 @ 9:27 AM

    DT, thanks for the info. I like the new VA section you’ve made up here. Hoping for another good round President’s Day weekend. Keep up the good work.

  5. Comment by Jim B — February 8, 2010 @ 10:33 AM

    I love the new format. Thanks!

  6. Comment by Joe — February 8, 2010 @ 10:36 AM

    New site was very easy to find and looks great!

  7. Comment by Jerry — February 8, 2010 @ 10:39 AM

    Like the new format. Especially enjoy your explaining the finer nuances of weather data in how you use it in formulating your forecasts.

    We use your long range forcasts as a valuable planning tool for allocation of resources to prepare for an event.

  8. Comment by Robert — February 8, 2010 @ 1:48 PM

    I love the new lay out. This explanations are perfect. I gave you a hard time last week but detailing it out this way is alot better. I respect this forcast. Thanks, Robert

  9. Comment by Clay — February 8, 2010 @ 2:53 PM

    DT, the new format is much improved! Pls make sure you leave in the typos, tho…..(Ha ha, J/K)…..And be sure to continue to use the screamin’ BIG RED FONT if your Snow Alarm senses somethin’ coming our way! Seriously, please continue our education with the maps and explanations.

    This site continues to be the best site, BAR NONE, for Virginia Snow Storm Geese! Speaking for all your new fans (like me), we appreciate the hard work!

    Question for you: Some weather long rangers are predicting continued arctic outbreaks into at least early March. What say you?

  10. Comment by Celie — February 8, 2010 @ 4:15 PM

    Thanks for the easy to understand update! I agree with the majority of the comments–learned more from you in two days than I ever learned from mainstream weather outlets! You are Good!

  11. Comment by lori Hall — February 8, 2010 @ 6:58 PM

    Dave,
    I think Tuesday and Wednesday in Hanover is going to be a mess. What do you think? Henrico county is on time for school tomorrow. They are going to take the kids to school in an ice storm?

  12. Comment by Laura — February 8, 2010 @ 7:50 PM

    Great site and great weather forecasting…..but other national weather sites already have Winter Storm Warnings posted for the Northern Neck of Virginia…..yet nothing has been updated on this site all day. What’s going on?

  13. Comment by Adam — February 8, 2010 @ 9:03 PM

    Are you still going to post predicted snowfall maps in this Virgina section, even if VA is not really in the snow? Did you do a first call for the 2/9-2/10 storm yet?

  14. Comment by ES_Addict — February 8, 2010 @ 9:39 PM

    Nice format. I like the VA WX tab for us “locals”. Keep up the great work DT. Lovin’ the education…and the forecasts/outlooks.

  15. Comment by ES_Addict — February 8, 2010 @ 9:41 PM

    Oh, BTW, I agree with Clay, need to keep the BIG RED FONT for big WX event alerts aka “warning Will Robinson” alerts. lol

  16. Comment by patricia — February 8, 2010 @ 9:45 PM

    OK-I’m addicted to this site. Where are you today? Need to know Tuesday/Wednesday forecast as I am traveling.

  17. Comment by The one and only......Farringtongrl — February 9, 2010 @ 10:03 AM

    Hey whats gives Weather nerd???? Love the new layout…. Keep it up and maybe just maybe…. Oh and also please tell me theres no ice coming my way…

  18. Comment by renee — February 9, 2010 @ 8:37 PM

    what happened to the storm for presidents day/valentines weekend… will we still get dumped on…

  19. Comment by Chris Jenkins — February 10, 2010 @ 7:16 AM

    I have really enjoyed your site. I love to fish and this winter has been really hard on us all here in Virginia. My comment is as follows. I dont see a out front prediction of any sort. We want to know when this arctic weather is going to retreat. How about posting a ten or fourteen day prediction? Thanks

  20. Comment by Nathan Nester — February 10, 2010 @ 7:54 PM

    Thanks for the updates you have been providing to us. Since I heard you on WRVA, I have been following your updates on a dialy basis. You do an amazing job for no support staff with this free service you have provided to Virginia residenents (and visitors).

  21. Comment by Clay — February 11, 2010 @ 8:46 AM

    2-11-10
    G-Morning DT:

    Storms and rumors of storms!
    Love the macro explanation of the Blocking pattern that keeps the east cold! Keep up the good work!

    Later,
    ClayinBonAir

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