3RD MAJOR SNOWSTORM HEADED FOR DCA BWI PHL NYC BOS
Okay let’s get back to the weather. The dry slot did in fact make it all the way into the DC metro area overnight with some of the precipitation mixing with sleet and freezing rain at times. For several hours DC had very light snow and sleet mixed and then around 4 a.m. the system the on the coast began to take over and heavy snow redeveloped over DC and Baltimore.
The wraparound band which moved into central VA including the Richmond Metro area early this morning was a complete surprise. Certainly some of the models showed the wrap around snow extending into central and southern VA over the past few days… but they did not show a band of heavy snow that would drop 3 or 4 inches! That band of heavy snow was restricted to the Northern neck and NOT over central VA.
So yes I was surprised and yes I did not forecast this… and yes I busted for Richmond. However as you went into the Piedmont the snow dropped off dramatically and the sun was out early this morning in Farmville and Lynchburg. I suspect the sun will be out by noon in the Richmond Metro area but the middle Peninsula Northern neck will see heavy snow till sunset where 4 to 8″ are possible.
This is the 3rd time this winter central VA has been hit by wrap around snow.
The western edge of the Snow Shield which was advancing east early this morning has now stopped. And as a result the heavy snow continues across the DC metro area as far east as Leesburg. However just the Southwest the significant snow has ended for example Warrentown has very light snow and 5 miles visibility and the snow has ended at Quantico and Manassas.
My argument has been that the heavy snow line would push into DC this morning and would end the snow over the DC metro area but continue it across Baltimore and eastern Maryland.
The snow line has very sharp and it was definitely set up along the western and southwestern side of this Low over Northern VA and Central MD… but so far the line has held and it has not reached into DC area. It should buy one or two o’clock this afternoon… but it looks like my last forecast of 6-10″ for Central MD and the DC metro area is going to be on the low side. However for Northern VA … once you get outside of the Beltway in Arlington and Tyson’s corner… the 3-6″ snow forecast seems to be working out pretty good.
Looking down the road we had to things to talk about. First is a southern low over the Gulf Coast states which appears to be inching northward a little bit. However this system is so far to the south that seeing the snow line reach into southern NC from GA / SC is still too far to the south to be overly concerned with the system. We still have some time to watch it but I don’t think of to make it this far north.
The second event is a rather strong piece of energy in the jet stream coming out of Manitoba this weekend. This feature sweeps through the Midwest… passing through MO and ILL into KY much like the current system is! However the air mass around this Upper Low is not as moist and it’s going to have trouble generating a strong Low at the surface. Still if this feature holds together and the models are right we could bring a period of snow to central and northern VA again on the 15th and 16th. I will have more on this in a late afternoon update around 5 p.m..
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400pm FEB 9
MY SNOW FORECAST MAPS this one was issued 1am TUESDAY morning . I probably have the LEAST snow in the DCA of any foroecaster around.
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this one at 330pm TUESDAY FEB 9.. http://1664596.sites.myregisteredsite.com/meteorology/LAST.jpg
The 12z Models continue to show Northern VA and DCA in BIG trouble if you are forecasting 10-20″ of snow as NWS yesterday. NWS has waaaaaaay too much snow for HGR ,..10-14 “ and DCA 10-14″… despite the fact that the main heavy snow Model — the NAM d roped DCA to 0.65″ total and some of that is rain/now mixed.
NWS has CHO — charlottesville in 4-6″ which might be overdone.

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Lets talk about some of those very heavy snowfall forecast for DCA ? northern VA and MD. I want to raise issues with you as to why I see potential trouble for some of those exceptionally high DC metro area forecast that we are seeing from various news outlets and private forecasters as well as those out-of-control irrational weenies.
So I am going to raises several different issues here.
THE LAST MINUTE SEASONAL TREND: as I have already stated in another post we have experienced three significant winter storms — all of them Miller A events –on the East coast since mid-December and all three cases we saw the coastal and 850mb Low jump to the north at the last possible second. I do not know if that trend is going to occur with this system since it is a Manitoba Mauler (MM) / MILLER B event.
DEC 18-19… which originally looked like a major snowstorm even for Central VA saw the trend in the last 24 hours for the 850 Low and surface Low to track N of Hatteras. This enabled some mid-level warming to get in over Eastern VA and the snow turned to sleet in the Richmond area. In addition you recall many of the medium and even short range models were not driving significant snow into New York City: at one point it was only the European model that show significant snow into NYC metro region. As we know 11″ did in fact fall in NYC.
JAN 30 … models consistently showed no snow getting into Washington, DC or snow fall under 2″. It wasn’t until the last minute…24 and 18 hrs before the event began at the NAM and WRF showed significant snow getting into the DC area. In addition if you recall most of the models show a weak 850 Low exiting eastern North Carolina which kept the heavy snow along the Virginia and NC border and south of Richmond. Many of our NC snow fans gleefully watched as model run after model run showed a almost all snow event for Winston-Salem Raliegh Greensboro and even into southeastern VA. Instead not only to those areas turn to sleet But the heaviest snow fell from Richmond North to Fredericksburg and 4 to 8″ fell in DC.
FEB 7. None of the forecasts called for anything other than pure as snow to fall in Charlottesville or Fredericksburg… in either the medium range or short range forecast periods. There was some minor speculation that these areas might experience a little bit of sleet… but no forecasts offered the snow changing over to sleet then rain for several hours. Which is exactly what happened. Again the 850 Low tracked further to the north by 50 or 70 miles which was hinted at only in the last 24 hours before the event began.
ISSUE #2. MANITOBA MAULER. The term comes from the great weather historian David Ludlum. I wish to present to you three particular AND important MILLER B — MM events so I can stress a particular point or two.
These Next 3 images represents the snowfall maps famous KU MILLER B- Manitoba Mauler (mm) events. The From left to right… the great Lindsay NYC snowstorm of FEB 8-10 1969… the great New England blizzard of February 1978… and DEC 30 2008. In all instances is imperative that you see how sharp and amazingly tight to snow greet was on the western side of these systems. New York City reported 22 inches DOV 12″ ABE 3″… FEB 1978 Philly 14-16″… Baltimore 9″ DCA 2″ DEC 30 2000… NYC 13-17″ northeast New Jersey 22″ ABE 3″… TTN 11″ ILG 1″

In everyone in these cases models over forecasted by large amounts the extent of the snow in the western and southwestern quadrant of these KU events. In particular some may recall the model forecasts for extremely heavy snow over DC and Baltimore which it failed to materialize.
This next image shows the track of the DEC 30 2000 MM… as you can see the 500 low track through southwestern PA which IS considerably further to the N of where this system is going to track. However if we take the same basic idea and remember that the western side of the MM’s has an extremely sharp snow gradient… and we displace it to the south because Tuesday night & Wednesday’s 500 Low IS going to track over DC / far northern VA… we end up with that western side of the system over a good portion of MD.
That is NOT a good place to be in MM events.
Here are some 500 MB maps for the great February New England blizzard of 1978. These two maps show the track of the 500 Low… diving from southeastern MI into Central VA then east off the Delmarva coast. This track is fairly similar to the track of the system Tuesday night and Wednesday except of course this current system is not diving out of MI. However both the 1978 Upper Low and the Tuesday / wednesday Upper Low due track through southeastern OH and into Northern VA. They ARE similar.

Now I am not saying the two events are perfectly analogous. BUT given the 500 MB Low tracks similarities the February 1978 analog do not support a huge snow event for Washington, DC.
These next two images show another problem which I concerned for the DC area… and that is the dreaded DRY SLOT. I am a little surprised at how LITTLE mention this is getting in various posts a different one of forums and by several meteorologists who should know better. This is the 0z FEB 8 run of the WRF/ NAM at 60 hrs valid 12z FEB 10…. and we can clearly see the dry slot punching in to the DC area as well as Northwest VA… Western MD and about to move into central MD.

This is the 12z FEB 8 WRF/ NAM at 48 hrs… again valid for 12z FEB 10. And again we can see the dry slot punching into the area.
THE 2ND BURST OF PRECIP QUESTION: for the past several runs the GFS and NAM and to a lessor degree the RGEM had been showing a second burst of precipitation over the DC Baltimore area during this event and it is this second burst of heavy snow that piles up the snow totals. Frankly I’m having trouble understanding .
These next four maps show the 18 z NAM QPF in 6 hour time increments… from 30-36 hrs… 36-42 hrs… 42 to 48 hrs and 48 to 54 hours. The first image I have no problem with as we can see the heavy precipitation wrapping up into the developing 850 low over northern VS and eastern half of MD. BUT then we can see at 42 and at 48 hours there is a second burst of heavy precipitation that covers much of eastern MD including Baltimore Annapolis and DC and actually extends into the Northern neck of VA. Finally at 48 to 54 hours we see more uniform band of heavy snow as the coastal low as fully developed.

What I don’t get is the second band of precipitation developing over eastern Maryland and sitting there for6 to 12 hrs. I don’t understand why the models are developing this second burst in the southwest quadrant of the system…. AND nd why IF this second burst does … it does not move.
According to the 18z NAM this second burst of heavy snow is so impressive that it actually drops Moderate / snow band into the Richmond area for several hours Wednesday morning.
Folks I don’t see how with a 500 low passing north of me… How Richmond Virginia is going to see a period of moderate snow early Wednesday morning. I just don’t see it.
One last point. It would not surprise me at all to see a stunning and impressive snow gradient across central and eastern Maryland. Northeastern MD… say ELKTON could see a lot more snow than Baltimore and Baltimore to see a lot more snow than Hagerstown.
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Dave, I am truly perplexed! My real concern is for this weekend. Where will this Low end up and how will it affect this weekend’s weather?
I think the southern Low this weekend is a Miss for us.
So we’re not gonna have much snow here then!
that isnt even a coherent sentance….
Where is your snow map….
It is there… please look at the links in Tuesday’s post.
what about models for this weekend no locals have anything on 7 day planner….will it move norht or not happen at all for Central VA?
Dave, enjoy your newly found website but, am not sure as to how much snow, rain, sleet, etc. we can expect here in the Northern Neck of VA.
Thanks!
Dave, I am wondering the same. What does this weekend look like? Will I be stuck in the house again?
all snow now for N Nck and 4-8″
ok, that post made me dizzy just reading it!! I think what I got out of it was “not much snow for Richmond” from this Tuesday/Wednesday thing. I know Richmond and Ashland, Mechanicsville, King William are different places but not that far apart. This morning, there are Winter Storm Warnings for those areas, which sounds almost crazy based on your forecast above.
sorry but richmond did NOT have winter storm warnings out nor did ashland but King william did
I’m with Chris. Is there any light to be shed on this weekend’s possible event? I’m pretty concerned about my fellow teachers in NoVa (aka Spotsylvania).
this weekend Northern VA to central VA should be OK….. for saturday. Maybe some snow sunday night into Monday
does NOT look like a major event … a few inches at best
I’m also curious about this weekend as it seems this midweek storm will be a dud in Richmond. Is there an underlying trend to the last several storms shifting northward at the last minute or is it just a happy coincidence that it has happened 3 straight times?
Dave,
Wow what a detailed analysis. Thanks for the update. Will ahve to see how this one plays out. We do live in an an area that is a complex weather maker.
So how much precip could Mechanicsville Va see between now and Sunday in inches.
Planning a weekend trip to NC how is the storm shaping up?
snow is likely for central and southern NC clsoer to charlotte and fayetteville the more snow. sound odd I know
D.T., What does the forecast look like for this weekend in the Richmond Hanover areas?
Dave, what is your forecast for this weekend? Supposed to have family from NC coming and don’t want them to get snowbound here.
you keep talking about a possible storm Feb 14th and 15th, where is it? What is going on here? Nobody, those winnies you talk about, are discussing it. Why do they not see it?
great detailed report … DT keep up the good work. thanks
OK, how missed this event?? It is like a Blizzard in Chesterfield and out at the Airport. Holy Smokes!!!!
I’m no meteorologist but it looks like the NOGAPS model has this weekends storm going south of VA and out to sea. Should be a precipitation free weekend.
Welp – Sorry to say, but you missed this forecast as well. My brother lives in DC and has already gotten at least 7″ with blizzard conditions. Richmond has gotten the moderate band of snow this morning and it some points almost had white out conditions. This started around 6 AM and we already have about 3 inches of snow.
I do like your detailed reports about how you come to your forecast, but in the end i reckon it just simply doesn’t matter. This is just goes to show you that no one knows what is really going to happen.
Ok, how am I seeing moderate snow fall this morning when you said “Folks I don’t see how with a 500 low passing north of me… How Richmond Virginia is going to see a period of moderate snow early Wednesday morning. I just don’t see it.”
Am I seeing what I am seeing?
yes you are
It is called being WRONG and I was WRONG about this this wrap around snow. This is the 3rd time thiw winter we have had wrap around snow and seeing it once ina winter is unusal for RIC. 3 times in one winter ? Unheard of
Also, why did you delete my first post about this weekends weather forecast? Are we only allowed to post “great job” and ” I love your reporting of the weather”? Can we not ask questions on what you are seeing this weekend, when other do not see anything?
Dudder
I did NOT delte anything and of ocurse uyou can say whatever you want to me in the comments as long as you back it up….
Couple inches on the ground here in Chester and its still coming down pretty good.
We love your updates for RVA weather! But a snow map would be spiffy for this storm as well as this weekend’s system.
Thanks for your work.
Wed. Morning we have about 3 inches of Snow here in Chickahominy Bluffs subdivision. Starting to let up now. Curious about Sunday Eve/Monday event. Is this the storm in California now?
How did everyone miss the mini blizzard that we had this morning??????
it made me look bad as it did everyone else
Dave, we had 4 inches in Midlothian this morning
I hope you are doing well with your new found fame. Just remember they build you up one day and try and tear you down the next. I appreciate your work and your willingness to teach us novices what is going on with these storms.
It is wonderful to get weather information from a REAL meteorologist, who does his own research on the weather patterns. Thanks for all you do.
Hey Dave. I’m trying to figure out some of this weather stuff. Reading your blog I couldn’t tell if you thought the models were showing a miss for us and a big hit for up north or a hit for us just a bigger hit for up north. Looking at the 00z GFS from last nights run it looked like we were on the cold side of the storm getting some snow. Was I reading that right or wrong? Thanks for the updates and keep up the good work.